Originally Posted by dfs
That's exactly right. I see no reason to believe they've turned the corner.
You're wishcasting on Hannigan and Dickerson. I think it's more likely that one of them never sees 500 at bats in a major league season than they turn into valuable regulars.
I can accept the starting pitching is an asset, but it does get hurt and it is volatile. Could what they have go through the roof? Sure it could. But it can also crash and burn which means your counting on Ramerez, Livingston or Maloney.
Last years' bullpen was an asset, but it's gone. 3 guys who each gave you 70 good innings (Affeldt,Weathers and Lincoln) will not be back. Essentially, they have to reform the whole bullpen. Bray and Burton have been hurt for sections of the last two seasons and it's entirely likely that Nick Masset matches his lifetime era of 5 instead of the small sample he put up at the end of the year.
I hate to bring up the spectre's of Austin Kearns and Wily Mo Pena, but sometimes young players don't take steps forward. Sometimes they get hurt or regress for other reasons.
There is some talent in the organization, but it's thin and not broad based. There are several pieces of the puzzle that you can squint at and pretend you have a solution, but the whole is not in place yet. At this point shopping for a high priced left fielder makes less sense than getting Cordero did last off season. Will it help you? Sure, but no where near as much as other moves could.
thanks for pointing out my typo.
I see your points, but I totally disagree.
-Weathers and Lincoln carried the bullpen? (Weathers will probably be back BTW, like it or not - me not so much)
-If Hanigan and Dickerson are the touted stars of the team then we stink, but they're not, what they are is above-average defenders in defense-minded position. So, I'm fine w/ whatever offense (or lack there of that they put up) because the addition of Magglio & Furcal (as I suggested) added to the likes of Bruce, Votto, Phillips & EdE, should be enough to provide a formidable offense.
-I can't believe people can complain about the fact that the Reds have a 4-man rotation that is excellent and locked down. If the reds stand pat (accept Hanigan & Dickerson in their respective spots) they should have a healthy pool of 5th starters and injury replacements: Owings, Ramirez, Bailey, Thompson, Maloney, etc. If fans have a problem w/ that depth, than.... wow!!! not many teams (no team) has 7 aces in case a pitcher or 2 comes down w/ an injury. However, we have 2 aces (maybe 3) and that in itself is a rare if not a sole accomplishment in the league. I like the Reds pitching and the depth is nothing to sneeze at, either.
Come on .. I know we're Reds fans so we're more comfortable being pessimistic, but c'mon... get happy. If the right moves are made this offseason... we can really have something here