Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp
There's no room to include them. People are saying "the Reds have not found suitable replacements." Actually, in terms of production, they have.
In other terms...
I am so tired of hearing, "The Reds have not replaced Adam Dunn." "Woe is us." "Oh how I wish the Reds had not traded Dunn." "We took such a hit to the offense."
All the while, here you have a guy ripping the cover off the ball, who by coincidence, plays the same position. It's a slap in the face to him to say the Reds have not found anyone to replace Dunn. They may have, but people are ignoring him.
Let me put it this way:
Say you are told you have two options. One is 29 years old, the other is 28 years old (both getting into the peak years of their career, obviously). Both are poor defenders.
Player A has a consistent, proven track record. His 3-year averages with the club:
.379 / .520 / 899 OPS (6.4% HR rate)
Player B has not been consistent, though has shown upside before. His current production in a couple hundred plate appearances:
.357 / .584 / 941 OPS (7.9% HR rate)
Taking away the names. Only knowing that Player A clearly has a proven track record, but Player B is slightly younger and just now hitting his peak, you're still probably inclined to go with Player A. Right? That's safe and clearly logical.
But throw in this:
Player A is going to make $10 mil for your team
Player B can probably be had for around $2 mil or one-fifth of the cost.
I'm no economics major, but what's the better value? I know it's easy to see which one has less risk.
Gomes is no Adam Dunn. But for crying out loud the dude is carrying the Reds offense right now, and people want to continue to cry over spilled milk about how the Reds didn't keep/replace Dunn. Gomes might not be able to continue this. That's still up in the air. But he's just now hitting his prime, where players tend to break out, and he's carrying the offense.
It's really a shame people can't give him credit and give the organization credit for getting him. Instead, they want to continue to harp on Dunn being gone and ignore that the franchise could have potentially found themselves an excellent player for cheap that wants to play for the organization without costing a pretty penny.
Maybe that's just too simplistic. But as long as Gomes continues to mash, I refuse to toe the company line that the Reds didn't do anything to replace the Dunn production.
Step away from your strawman for a second.... who's not giving Gomes credit or the Reds FO credit for bringing in Gomes?
I'm still trying to understand why you refuse to include people not named Nix and Gomes in the total LF production for 2009. Those 2 aren't the only guys to play LF for the Reds this year, so why wouldn't we include everyone to get a complete picture? woy posted the LF production as a whole, and our LFers (yup, all of them) have put up the line of .233/.299/.395/.694. That's significantly less production than Dunn's done all by his lonesome this year.
Pretty sure that's why people have said we haven't replaced Dunn, b/c the truth of the matter is that we haven't replaced Dunn.
Now, Gomes is putting together a solid season, but he's a platoon player. He's had less PAs than Adam Rosales, 206 to 190 respectively. So, while Gomes is showing to be a viable platoon option, he's still only producing in limited capacity. That's not discounting what he's done so far this season, but rather putting it in context. So, I'm not sure where you're drawing the conclusion that fans aren't happy with Gomes' production, or that he's not having a good season. I'm sure as heck not ignoring him or slapping him in the face.
The conclusion you should draw is that we haven't replaced Dunn's offense, and we did take a hit to the total offense. I mean you've watched the Reds this year, and you're telling me they couldn't use Dunn's bat in the lineup, and that ALL of our LFers have equaled or surpassed Dunn's production?
I guess I just can't wrap my head around you falling in love with Gomes' limited PAs, and saying that due to the financial difference between Gomes' and Dunn's contracts that they are now somehow equal. I hope Gomes keeps doing what he's doing, but at the same time I don't honestly know what to expect from him b/c we've only seen a small sample size from him in Cincinnati, and aside from 2005, nothing in his career numbers suggest he's capable of sustaining his current lines. I root for him to succeed b/c he's a Cincinnati Red, but at the same time I need to be realistic and know that he hasn't come close to replacing Adam Dunn, even if you give it the economic financial spin.
Hell, Gomes is one of the only guys I like on this team.