Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo
Except that Walt will end up with the credit anyway, just like when he was in St. Louis and LaRussa put that team on his shoulders.
2006 $2,350,000 2007 $4,250,000 2008 $6,750,000 2009 $14,000,000
2006 $3,000,000 2007 $4,375,000 2008 $4,575,000 2009 $10,125,000
2006 $4,125,000 2007 $5,425,000 2008 $8,625,000 2009 $12,125,000
* salaries source: ESPN
Walt Jocketty became general manager April 23, 2008
Why didn’t Walt Jocketty make deals for these players during the 2008 season or during the off season of 2008 - 2009 ?
To move them for better pitching, payroll adjustments, and or additional major league talent?
I don’t know the answer’s to any of those questions.
I believe that Mr. Jocketty was informed of the financial situation of the Reds going forward since he was the special advisor to the Reds on January 11, 2008.
“Why didn’t Walt Jocketty make deals for these players during the 2008 season or during the off season of 2008 - 2009 ? To move them for better pitching, payroll adjustments, and or additional major league talent?”
I think that Mr. Jocketty would know some of the Reds history throughout the decade of 2000, that the ownership does not tend to make large increases to payroll with their revenue base. We look it up, we know, surely Mr. Jocketty would, and be keeping that in mind as he looks forward, making his decisions. Right or wrong?
Seems one could argue that Mr. Jocketty wanted to hang on to experienced pitching, and that after he made the choice and decision to keep those pitchers for whatever reason, that they became his pitchers, and his contracts, and what he did or did not get in opportunity for them, is his.
Maybe he deserves more "credit" for these pitchers and them still being a payroll burden, more than we realize?
Walt Jocketty fired his pitching coach of the past several years and hired Price.
Did he think that his past pitching coach was ineffective and that a better pitching coach could have gotten more out of these and other pitcher’s. Would he be thinking that going into the 2010 season and beyond for these pitcher’s and other’s? If that is true, then, doesn’t keeping these pitcher’s make them his decision and choice, and making them his pitching and his contracts by his choice and decisions? Parts of that have to have some truth in the thinking process, otherwise, why fire the previous pitching coach and hire the one he did?
It seems to come down to whether you have them and pay them or not, that someone has to pitch for the Reds, and if the fans and Reds are unhappy with the pitching, and outcomes for the team, that the Reds would have to have better pitching then, now, and going forward. The availability, those contracts, the length of those contracts and the overall benefit and risk would have to be fully considered when replacing them or letting them go, then and now.
If we looked back through the extended stats of the Reds pitching dating back for years, even back to 2003, 2004, 2005, and compare forward, who could blame him? For hanging on to them.
* source pitching stats ESPN