Originally Posted by Brutus the Pimp
Boards change. I have never seen a message board where the same people stay around forever. Folks come and go. Those people are probably not around for many, many reasons, but I doubt very much how we vote on newcomers to the ORG is one of them.
Still, if we need to let a select few individuals decide on who gets in to appease some old-time posters, then perhaps the problem isn't with the system it's with the individuals. But as I said, I truly don't believe our voting process has much to do with why they're gone.
It's impossible to keep any community exactly the same. It changes with the times. Even if you keep processes similar, you're going to have turnover. It's understandable that we're talking about changing the voting process, but I don't think taking the vote out of the members' hands is the way to go.
This isn't about some trivial aspect of a message board. It's not about keeping a community exactly the same. And it sure as hell isn't about appeasing some old-time posters. This is about a system that serves as the lifeblood of the community. A system that's, unfortunately, proven to be flawed. You say you don't think taking the vote out of the members' hands is the way to go. I say when only 10-15% care enough to bother voting, they've taken the vote out of their own hands.
As for the members that left - sure, it could be for any reason. I'd argue how things went after the implementation of the current voting process had a heck of a lot more to do with it than you believe, but in the end it's only speculation, or at best circumstantial eveidence. So I won't argue that.
But what I can't believe is how nonchalant you are about losing them. Maybe you weren't around to read their thoughts and haven't checked the archives. But trust me, they weren't just any posters. They were giants. It's the Reds losing Votto. The Cardinals losing Pujols. The Colts losing Manning. All without getting anything in return. Posters like those guys made Redszone special, and believe it or not you should try to keep people like them around, even if it comes across as "appeasing the old-timers."
As I was reading through some of the archives from when we went to tORG and Sun Deck, I was pretty amazed at the passion and fervor so many had. It spawned four threads (that I know of) and ~2,000 posts. One of which proved to be prophetic. Dated 6/27/2007:
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer
I think once the old familiar names get accepted, the SD will largely be forgotten, thus rendering the ORG an undynamic pool of the same thinkers.
Cf. vote counts for early candidates vs. current batch. My guess is that eventually, the minimum will have to be moved down to 25 votes because the ORG members will simply have no idea who the nominees are. It's already happening, but it will only get worse over time.