Originally Posted by Screwball
This isn't about some trivial aspect of a message board. It's not about keeping a community exactly the same. And it sure as hell isn't about appeasing some old-time posters. This is about a system that serves as the lifeblood of the community. A system that's, unfortunately, proven to be flawed. You say you don't think taking the vote out of the members' hands is the way to go. I say when only 10-15% care enough to bother voting, they've taken the vote out of their own hands.
As for the members that left - sure, it could be for any reason. I'd argue how things went after the implementation of the current voting process had a heck of a lot more to do with it than you believe, but in the end it's only speculation, or at best circumstantial eveidence. So I won't argue that.
But what I can't believe is how nonchalant you are about losing them. Maybe you weren't around to read their thoughts and haven't checked the archives. But trust me, they weren't just any posters. They were giants. It's the Reds losing Votto. The Cardinals losing Pujols. The Colts losing Manning. All without getting anything in return. Posters like those guys made Redszone special, and believe it or not you should try to keep people like them around, even if it comes across as "appeasing the old-timers."
As I was reading through some of the archives from when we went to tORG and Sun Deck, I was pretty amazed at the passion and fervor so many had. It spawned four threads (that I know of) and ~2,000 posts. One of which proved to be prophetic. Dated 6/27/2007:
I was around during the rep system, and before the board split, when many of those folks were still here, and I remember what kind of a disaster that system was. This system puts it to shame.
I do remember those posters. I got here around 2003 and was around until 2005 or 2006 the first time around before losing my password in a computer crash and wound up going on hiatus before re-registering under my now current screen name. I appreciated the contributions of several of those (I credit a discussion with Cyclone that first interested me in Sabermetrics after he respectfully suggested I run correlation tests to see things for myself. I did and it changed the way I viewed things) and as for a few others... well, that's not important. Suffice to say, I respected some of them, but this is a place for discussion and opinions, and there's never a shortage of that.
But you've admitted that the system likely didn't chase them off nor would it bring them back. So I'm not sure what they have to do with how we vote. Perhaps you're correct that we have a flawed system. But how would putting the vote in the hands of 10-12 posters be any less flawed? It would still be bringing in new posters, some good some not as much, and the ones that do vote would not have a say in the matter. I just don't see how that helps any.
I'm not debating whether or not we could (or even should) make changes, but I'm just not seeing how going directly to a panel does much to change anything. I especially just don't see the connection to those aforementioned folks being gone.