Originally Posted by Guacarock
Great analysis by KLW, most interesting read. But I suspect if we do trade Votto, the return we'll be seeking will be different than Gonzalez or Teixeira fetched.
We are under the gun to win now, so a boatload of prospects wouldn't satisfy that need. Also, our farm system is relatively flush right now. It's at the ML level where we have a few gaps.
What might we want in lieu of prospects? The missing pieces to give us a leg-up to compete in 2012, 2013 and, hopefully, beyond. We have debated many times about those missing pieces and all know what they are -- LF, SS, and a TOR starting pitcher.
So, let's say the Toronto Blue Jays struck up a conversation with Jocketty this winter or next winter about taking Joey off our hands. That's a reasonable potential destination for our MVP, seeing as how it's his hometown and he could immediately energize not only the team but their fan base.
If I'm Jocketty, I would only entertain the trade discussions if the potential return clearly filled our most pressing needs. Here are three possible scenarios:
1. Straight-up deal -- our superstar for yours, Votto for OF-3B Bautista.
2. Two-fer deal -- We get two top-notch ML talents for Votto. Maybe neither equals him individually but together they bring us exceptional value in areas where we are clearly lacking. Players on the Blue Jays that might fit those descriptions: SS Escobar, SP Romero, SP Morrow, OF Lind.
3. Finally, I could see a potential for a hybrid, three-fer deal -- namely, one of the above players along with a couple of complementary Blue Jays prospects. Say Escobar was the linchpin, then the prospects might consist of an OF (Gose) and a SP. But if Romero was the linchpin, maybe he's flanked by an OF (Gose) and a SS (Hechavarria).
I figure the casual fans would only get jazzed about option no. 1, and would cry foul if we accepted any return less than Bautista. But I actually prefer the other two alternatives -- they give us more bang for the buck, a more balanced team, and in the case of option no. 3, a big helping of cake while letting us eat it, too.
excellent posts guys.
lets assume that the Reds move Votto this offseason & use Alonso at 1B. We would have left Mes/Hanigan, Alonso, Phillips, Cozart, Rolen, Bruce, Stubbs along with Cueto, Leake, Bailey, Arroyo, Chapman, Bray, Lecure, Ondrusek & Masset. what would be missing for the club to really compete?
1) power hitting left fielder. a really big bopper.
2) production from 3B
3) TOR starter(s)
who would be the key guys to go in deals to get these guys? Votto, Grandal, Sappelt. Bailey if the rotation was upgraded. maybe Frazier or Francisco. while this is doable it would require a lot of groundwork & creativity. it would mean at least 2 trades & one of those could easily be a 3-4 team deal (Votto for star prospects then flip prospects for other needs). to me this would be a very atypical trade for the current Reds management to make.