Originally Posted by Slyder
Use some package including one or two of any starters not named Cueto and Chapman and see what you can get in terms of upgrading the team or just trading chips in general for a Shields type trade, its not like 90% of the league doesn't need more pitching.
Leake/whoever isn't dealt
i see things differently than you.
1) i think Bailey is likely to pitch better as a starter in 2012 than Chapman.
i'd rather deal Alonso/Grandal for Shields or Stubbs/Volquez/Masset for Wandy than deal Bailey. even though he has been around for years Bailey could still get it all together and pitch like #2 starter in 2012. Leake is a solid #3 guy. it seems to me that we had 2 holes in the 2011 rotation: Volquez/Willis & Arroyo. since we are stuck with Arroyo I'd rather simply replace the Volquez/Willis spot with a guy like Wandy or Shields. I think we can do that without dealing the other 3 starters. so the way i'd want to set up the rotation there simply isn't room for Chapman unless Arroyo goes which i can't see happening.
2) i'd prefer we not put too many question marks into the mix. thats my philosophy in general and more so since the clock is ticking on Votto's time as a Red. to me it seems Chapman could close in 2012 but as a starter he is an unknown. if we were in rebuilding mode i'd let him start. but i think the team can contend in 2012 with the right moves.
3) also if Chapman starts then the team is going to go out and pay for a 'closer'. i'd prefer a pen of Chapman, Bray, Ondrusek, Lecure, Boxberger plus a cheap vet. the difference between the cheap vet and say resigning Cordero is likely ~$5M.