Originally Posted by LegallyMinded
I would consider all three of those pretty big losses.
The Mulder for Haren deal obviously didn't work out for St. Louis. Since the trade, Haren has put up 36 WAR, while Mulder pitched to an ERA over 5 and accumulated 1.3 WAR before retiring.
Wainwright for Drew is closer, but still a poor deal for the Cards: Since the trade, Wainwright has collected 18.5 WAR, while Drew put up 29.1. Now, it seems Drew's career is winding down, and so perhaps Wainwright begins to close the gap next year, but that depends on Wainwright bouncing back from serious surgery, which is hardly a guarantee.
As for the McGwire trade, perhaps that was a win on the field, but McGwire turned out to be a reprehensible cheater who sullied the reputation of the game. I'd want no part of him on my team.
Overall, then, if those are the kinds of trades Jocketty makes when he's dealing, perhaps he should just sleep through the rest of this winter.
Sorry but this is total and complete insanity about the Wainwright-JD Drew deal. It was an enormous win for the Cardinals. We traded away a guy who has had a couple good seasons in the decade he has been gone, beyond that he has been fairly average.
JD Drew has been paid NINETY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS since he left St Louis. For a pair of good seasons. Adam Wainwright is a Cy Young caliber pitcher who has been a complete steal
Not to mention that he was quite easily the biggest lynch pin of our 2006 World Series championship. Adam Wainwright is just entering his prime right now. His value to the Cardinals is far from over. Even putting that aside it's still a cavernous win for the Cardinals, when you factor it in it becomes laughable to suggest that this trade was anything other then a huge steal for the Cardinals.
Sorry but I don't think that this trade is even arguable in the slightest and it makes me question your knowledge of baseball. I don't think there's one GM in baseball that would agree with you.
As for McGwire, you are entitled to your opinion. But there is also no arguing that it was an outstanding trade when you are grading a GM against it. Total and complete steal for the Cardinals.