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dMaus14 · 11-15-2011, 02:18 PM

I don't think its as simple as that. Everyone praised the Brewers for literally going all in this past year and all they did was lose to an older Cardinals team in the ALCS. And with all their fans showing support still don't have the money to keep Prince. Now they have to figure out 3rd, figure out SS, figure out 1B not to mention they lost their double threat in the middle of the lineup with Fielder being gone. The Rays had all pitching, very little hitting and still made it in. Plus their best player was out most of the year. The Rangers had a great lineup but lets be honest average pitching. The Phillies had the best rotation in all of baseball and couldn't get out of the series in which you only need 2 good pitchers.

We don't, for what ever reason, have the financial ability to go all in because there is no guarantee we can win. Postseason is different then the regular season. We want to get rid of our replacement first baseman, our "true future" catcher, our ultimate 4th outfielder and other future players for 1-2 players that will get us into the playoffs? What if we go "all in" and still are out of it come trade deadline? So now we just got rid of our future and our present has collapsed.

Why is it a bad idea to trade a guy who we all know won't be here after 2013 because its the only way to get the best return plus give us financial ability to add what we do need? We don't have the pitching that the Phillies or Rays have. We don't have the offense that the Rangers had. So as a small market team we have to be efficient at every position. It doesn't matter if our 1B is a 7 WAR when our SS is .2 WAR. What's the point in keeping Votto when we are going to play a rookie at SS, a rookie at 3B, our 4th/5th OF will be a rookie, and we will be playing a 1B in LF. What in the world thinks that will win a WS?

I am really not saying that we should trade Votto but I am not saying we shouldn't trade Votto. I just believe that for a small market team there is a price for every member of that team. I believe if the return in the trade solves 2-3 solutions to our 5 question marks (SP, CL, SS, LF, 3B) than yes we should do that trade. Because getting rid of him provides financial flexibility to help answer those other questions.

11-15-2011, 02:18 PM	#10
dMaus14 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Hamilton, OH Posts: 305	Re: Reds chance of keeping Votto just took a hit.. I don't think its as simple as that. Everyone praised the Brewers for literally going all in this past year and all they did was lose to an older Cardinals team in the ALCS. And with all their fans showing support still don't have the money to keep Prince. Now they have to figure out 3rd, figure out SS, figure out 1B not to mention they lost their double threat in the middle of the lineup with Fielder being gone. The Rays had all pitching, very little hitting and still made it in. Plus their best player was out most of the year. The Rangers had a great lineup but lets be honest average pitching. The Phillies had the best rotation in all of baseball and couldn't get out of the series in which you only need 2 good pitchers. We don't, for what ever reason, have the financial ability to go all in because there is no guarantee we can win. Postseason is different then the regular season. We want to get rid of our replacement first baseman, our "true future" catcher, our ultimate 4th outfielder and other future players for 1-2 players that will get us into the playoffs? What if we go "all in" and still are out of it come trade deadline? So now we just got rid of our future and our present has collapsed. Why is it a bad idea to trade a guy who we all know won't be here after 2013 because its the only way to get the best return plus give us financial ability to add what we do need? We don't have the pitching that the Phillies or Rays have. We don't have the offense that the Rangers had. So as a small market team we have to be efficient at every position. It doesn't matter if our 1B is a 7 WAR when our SS is .2 WAR. What's the point in keeping Votto when we are going to play a rookie at SS, a rookie at 3B, our 4th/5th OF will be a rookie, and we will be playing a 1B in LF. What in the world thinks that will win a WS? I am really not saying that we should trade Votto but I am not saying we shouldn't trade Votto. I just believe that for a small market team there is a price for every member of that team. I believe if the return in the trade solves 2-3 solutions to our 5 question marks (SP, CL, SS, LF, 3B) than yes we should do that trade. Because getting rid of him provides financial flexibility to help answer those other questions.