Originally Posted by MikeThierry
FIP does not matter when it comes to a closer. The thing that matters is if they save the game or not. That is it. Its the most bottom line position in baseball, in my opinion. I never said that Coco was good. However he did give the Reds 37 saves last season. The whole point I'm trying to drive home is that by adding 4-5 extra saves, does that make the Reds a 90 win team in 2012? If Madson gives the Reds 42 saves in 2012, does that close the gap enough to be division winners?
Based on that theory (us having a 17 game gap to close), we could never catch the Cards.
Adding a great closer pushes every pitcher down one spot. Marshall becomes the 8th inning guy. Every spot becomes improved.
How did the Reds go from 90 or so wins in 2009 to last year with virtually the same team?
We could have possibly won 90 games next year without adding 3 extremely good pitchers.
We likley wouldn't have, but we could have. The Reds have made huge improvements this year.
And saves are the most overrated stat in baseball.