Originally Posted by Nasty_Boy
If you took my last sentence as being literal, then please forgive me... I knew when I typed it that someone would say that about Cordero, because that's how Redzone operates. For that I offer my apologies... But I would bet that 95% of Cordero appearances in non save situations were just get him work. The rest, or games like today he would not have went to Cordero. He would use Cordero in tie games at home in the 9th-10th inning because there is no possible save. The only other times he went to Cordero in non save spots were in marathon games where his hand was forced.
I don't know where to look it up but in Cordero's years with the Reds, what percentage of his appearance do you think were in non save spots? Dusty manages the end of the game based on a stat... Heck, 3 weeks ago Dusty wouldn't committ to using Marshall as a closer because he couldn't go 3 days in a row. Marshall wasn't looked at as "closer material", but Madson blows out his arm and Marshall now HAS to close.
Dusty isn't the only manager to do these things, but it doesn't make me feel better... If I were Davy Johnson, I would have stuck with Clippard. He was dominant in the 8th. They way he looked, I doubt the Reds coulda scored 2 in the 9th.
I didn't have any reason not to take you literally. That's why I avoid creating sentences with absolutes when possible. There are qualifiers to use when you are using literary tools to make a point that would increase the chance of you being understood better.
As for the "save situation" argument, logically, it is possible that the chicken/egg argument is that "save situation" is also a "close game situation" and that is the basis for the decision. It is always portrayed that the manager is using "save situation" as the decision rule. It is a presumption that it is the stat driving the decision. I'd say it is the situation driving the decision. Save situation = close game.
Having watched the dynamics of 9th innings in the current era, a three run lead is very tenuous and I want whomever I've identified to pitch the 9th (if that's the bullpen pecking order system that I use) out there. I also see many managers, including Dusty, stretching it out to a 4 run lead for their closer.