Originally Posted by Nasty_Boy
I don't think there is a difference between set up men and closers... I think there is a difference between good pitchers and bad pitchers, or good match-ups and bad match-ups. The better the pitcher the better he'll be regardless of the situation.
I didn't want to go to Marshall in the 9th yesterday because of the three right handed hitters the Brewers had coming to the plate. After the way Ondrusek pitched to Braun and others on Monday night, I would have went to him if I were going to take Chapman out. I have a ton of confidence in Sean Marshall as a good pitcher, closer title or not, but I also think the "save" is such a joke. Its an arbitrary stat that affects how managers handle their bullpen. If there were no such thing as save or if the Brewers had Braun Ramirez and Hart due up in the 7th inning Ondrusek would have been in the game. I don't buy into the mental aspect... I buy into a guy have dominating stuff to get tough outs.
I completely agree about the save stat. The attempt to give a number to a relief pitcher measuring his value to a team in preserving wins has resulted in the artifice of using certain pitchers in exclusive situations and that is crazy. If there were no save stat I'll bet managers would handle their bullpens very differently.