Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo
My 2 cents on the Heat and the Bulls. #1 Nary a Bull player was a HOF without MJ's presence. Rodman & Pippen were borderline guys without the rings (though Dennis had rings before MJ with Isiah). Horace Grant might have been had he stayed in Chicago but as we saw he didn't and therefore he isn't because without MJ he was exposed. No one else was close to HOF caliber. My point is MJ demanded much from his teammates as he was directed to by the only other legit HOF'r Phil Jackson. The other point which was already made is that the Bulls were grown together with the one exception of Rodman who was toiling away in San Antonio. None of them were Superstars on other teams who decided to join MJ and MJ stayed with the team who drafted him and took that team from also ran to top of the heap.
As far as the LeBron thing goes he was on his way to MJ and Kobe type status as he took Cleveland to an NBA finals. He was garnering alot of respect for doing what MJ had done, putting a franchise on his back and changing the fortunes & perception of that franchise. Everyone loves an underdog, most don't care for frontrunners. He looked like the former but in the end proved to be the latter IMO. Spin it anyway you want, LeBron took the easy way to his title, by allowing another HOF'r to get him there. I don't have a problem with Dwade, the Heat or really even Bosh for doing what they done, just LeBron and I root against them because I lost respect for him.
I'm not even sure where to start. Pippen is one of the 5 best defenders in NBA history (along with Russell, Jordan, LeBron, and probably Olajuwon or Payton IMO). Everyone was impressed with LeBron (and rightfully so) for defending all 5 positions, but Scottie was one of the first to do it. Also, Scottie essentially averages 20, 7, 6 and 2.5 steals for an 8 year all while playing what was essentially a hybrid SF/PG. Everything points to him being a HOFer, and a top tier one at that. Bill Simmons in his Book of Basketball
put him as the 24th best player of all time.
As for LeBron, I couldn't disagree more with what you said. You can say that LeBron hitched his wagon to Wade and Bosh so that he didn't have to win it all himself, but he ended up doing exactly what he was trying to avoid. In fact, I would argue that Bosh and especially Wade were smart to hitch their wagons to the human freight train that is LeBron. He lead the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks in the post season. He got every tough defensive assignment and had to make up for Wade putting up stinkers in a bunch of games along with Bosh missing essentially a series and a half and scoring and rebounding below his season average. Every other player on that team was a question mark going into every game. Will Battier or Miller make any threes? Will Chalmers find a way to ruin another fast break with Wade on one wing and LeBron on the other? Will Haslem make a jumper at all? What crappy center will be forced to play? LeBron made up for every gaping deficiency on the team.
Now, did I love the Decision? No. But,if a guys worst mistake made millions for the Boys and Girls club, I can live with that.