Originally Posted by Blitz Dorsey
Roger Goodell says you need to sit out for at least 4 weeks after that. Don't go concussing yourself! It's simply not worth it.
Cingrani is out-performing his teammates that are supposedly better pitching prospects. Sorry, I'll take the results. Is Corcino good? Absolutely. Am I thrilled he's a Reds prospect? No question. Do I think Cingrani is better? Yes. (Same deal for Lotzkar. Very good prospect. I like Cingrani better.)
Doug, every pitcher in MLB history that has added/perfected their breaking balls the deeper they get in their career is laughing at your assessment that it's so tough to teach breaking balls. It's not easy. But when you have everything else in place like Cingrani does, don't insult my intelligence and pretend as if he can't add to his arsenal as it pertains to his off-speed stuff.
Can Mike Leake be taught to throw 95? No. Can Tony Cingrani be taught better breaking stuff? You better believe it.
(As for Cingrani's fastball, I've read numerous places he's touched 95 during his pro career. It's kind of like saying Travieso can touch 99. He doesn't usually sit there, but he can reach it.)
And every relief pitcher who couldn't develop a good one is crying somewhere too wondering why they couldn't get the contract that CC Sabathia got.
Tony Cingrani started 3 of his 4 years in college. You think his coaches in Juco and at Rice didn't try to teach him a breaking ball? Sure, they aren't the Reds guys who are without a doubt better, but it isn't like those guys are knothole coaches.
So far in AA, I haven't heard of one report of Cingrani hitting 95. Heck, I have only heard a few 93's. Last night he was 90-91, sometimes below, a few times he hit 92. That is fine. That will work, especially with the movement he gets.
Outperforming someone in the minors doesn't mean you will do so in the Majors. Bruce and Votto were in AAA together. Bruce outhit him, significantly. Minor League production only means so much. You can get away with things in the minors that you can't in the Majors.
And I will ask again..... how many times have you seen Cingrani pitch? I am at 7 times now (if we include several innings of games) as a pro.