Originally Posted by dougdirt
Because no one doubts that Corcino is a starting pitcher and there is still a whole bunch of people out there who aren't convinced that Cingrani is a for sure starter.
Cingrani, in no way, shape or form has a better off speed pitch than that of Corcino. Cingrani's breaking ball is average when it is at its best and more of a 30-40 pitch. His change up is above-average to plus depending on where you look, but he also doesn't throw it. So it isn't really effective. Corcino on the other hand has an above-average to plus slider that he uses well. Corcino's change up is quite a bit better than Cingrani's slider is. That leaves Corcino with much better offspeed stuff and still with an above-average fastball, though not quite the same kind of fastball as Cingrani.
And again, I really think you aren't giving people enough credit if you think BA/BP/Sickels are talking to guys who have only seen Cingrani pitch one or two times in the last two years.
Fastball Ė Daniel Corcino has a very live Fastball. He can consistently bring the heat with a fastball that sits at 93-94 mph. But he is capable of a little extra and can light the radar gun at 97 mph. This pitch comes in straight, but does get on the hitters quickly. He can throw this pitch with control, but has a nasty tendency to overthrow this pitch, which can cause him to lose command of the strike zone.
Slider Ė This pitch is an excellent compliment to his major league ready fastball. The slider has a hard break away from right-handed hitters. With velocity that has good variation from his fastball, the hitters canít cheat on the fastball. With the big break on this pitch it flashes as a plus major league offering. The greatest problem with this offering is that Corcino often overthrows this pitch. It is actually more effective when he throttles back on this pitch allowing him to throw with more control.
Changeup Ė This pitch is a below average pitch but can be thrown for strikes. This pitch is not used enough. The problem with this pitch is that Corcino hasnít had to use it much and certainly hasnít needed to work on refining it. His other 2 offerings are so dominant, that this pitch has largely gone ignored from a developmental standpoint. However, Corcino will have to learn how to use this pitch effectively at higher levels if he is to continue his rising prospect status.
Two pitches. Just like Cingrani.
Off-speed means anything other than a fastball. Is Corcino's slider better than Cingrani's change-up? I'd say they're about even, maybe a slight edge to Corcino. Fastball velocity is about even. (BA says both pitch in the low 90s, but can "crank it up" to 97/98.), but Cingrani's has more movement and he controls it better. Cingrani's slider v. Corcino's change-- meh.
So, with all else being equal, let's look at three variables-- mechanics, production, and age. Corcino's described as a max-effort kind of guy who often overthrows. Cinani's praised as a pitcher who keeps the ball hidden well with clean arm slot and balance. Corcino has the edge in age-- by a year. Cingrani has performed far better while in AA (and in his career) though it's a much smaller sample size.
At this point, there's really not much difference.
Certainly not eight spots' worth.
Now, you could cite out-of-date reports about worries because of a lack of a third pitch (which... he has... which... is okay... but which needs work... like all minor league pitchers). Or you could grab onto the experts who've seen him pitch... maybe. You might cite his small sample size. (Though poo-poohing that dominance at age-appropriate levels and leagues levelled against pitchers seems... biased.) You might point out his lack of pedigree. (Though that would also ding Corcino, Cueto, and, to a lesser degree, Votto and Dunn.)
Corcino has had a longer track record of decent numbers, true. He's been young for his league as well, absolutely. Last season, his numbers were TOR-like. Ace-worthy. This year, they're not. And Cingrani's continue to be.