Originally Posted by RedsManRick
No, I don't think Larkin deserved his MVP; Bonds did.
Again, Trout leads Cabrera in a number of stats, runs, stolen bases and triples to name three common ones. Miguel Cabrera leads Trout in other categories you haven't mentioned: Grounded Into Double Plays, 28 to 7 (you're counting those 21 outs against Cabrera, right?) and errors, 13 to 4. (I think errors are a bad way to measure defense, but you don't seem to want to consider advanced metrics)
You still are completely ignoring defense. You are still completely ignoring baserunning. You are implicitly suggesting that being good in the clubhouse is worth more than being a good baserunner and defender. And if we're going to count clubhouse impact, I assume you've accounted for the impact Trout has had on the Angels clubhouse?
You have and continue to make a case that Cabrera has had an awesome season; you haven't made the case that his season is better than Trout's because you refuse to compare them on all of the ways players add value.
Clearly we'll have to agree to disagree.
First: Bonds finished 12th in the voting...
Second: Errors? Really? Are we going to compare Total Chances, Assists, Double Plays, etc.? Seriously. Pick and choose is what you are doing while accusing me of doing the same. You are completely ignoring LEADERSHIP which won Larkin his MVP. Trout is not the leader in that clubhouse. I never once said Cabrera's season is better than Trout's cause it's not. I said he is more valuable to his team that is in a playoff race than Trout is on a team that really isn't in a playoff race. To pigeon-hole value as only being determined by WAR is short-sighted and that is all you are arguing.
I am happy to agree to disagree or we can continue to argue about it. The reality is, though, I am leaving work and probably won't read this again until I come back on Monday...
Have a good weekend.