Originally Posted by 757690
Also, this was the exact same logic that was used to fire Sparky. Someone was new needed to take them to the next level.
Not sure what I'm missing but Sparky actually got them to 2 World Series' and won 2 of them, so I really don't see a direct correlation. Bristol actually had some success coming close a couple of times, so you could argue bringing in Sparky over Bristol was recognizing the team had grown up and needed a new kind of manager.
It's not meant to be a knock on Dusty. They guy has done a really good job for the most part. But I think it's hard to argue that certain managers are better suited for some teams and not others. There are different "types" of managers and different types of teams and I think it's more a matter of finding the right match.
I do believe Dusty was the perfect kind of manager for the 2010 team. He was also a god fit for this team, at least through the first 5 months of the season. At some point they got to the point where they knew they were good and knew how to come to play every single day. They learned all they needed to and became a team that could manage themselves when it came to that part of the game. Phillips has matured almost to a Larkin kind of clubhouse leader. Votto has the respect of everyone and the young players are guys like Bruce and Frazier and Cozart. They are all very teachable and look up to the veterans. They don't have the ego problem guys that managers like Dusty are so good at managing.
Ultimately, I think Walt has put together a team that no longer needs a Dusty Baker. Dusty himself deserves a lot of credit for this team developing into a team that knows how to go take care of their business. They are an elite team for the next few years because of that, IMO.
I think the analogy is of a teacher who has done all he can do. "I have nothing left to teach you" is the cliche that comes to mind. This is not the same team is was 6 months ago. They are legit WS contenders and they know it now. I'm not sure it's a "better" manager they need, it's just a different "type". Dusty is who he is. He's been around a long time and had a lot of success. But he has his blind spots like all managers or head coaches do. His just happen to be the ones this team really needs to have on their bench.
I don't think that's an insult to Dusty, it's a rational analysis of how this team has evolved. This team has at least a 3 year window where they should win 94+ games every year barring multiple major injuries and a couple of small, prudent moves by Walt. It would take a bold move to make a manager change after winning 97 games and I highly doubt it happens. But it could be the thing that makes a difference next October. This team can win a WS with Dusty. But his game management in the playoffs reduces their probability, IMO. Bochy in this series is a good example. There's no way to know if the result would have been different, but Bochy made smart tactical moves all series. With a healthy Cueto or Votto is probably isn't enough, but when it's a very close series where just a few things going one way instead of the other decides the outcome, poor tactics can become the deciding factor. We may have seen it in this series.