Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling
The guy asked me to show him how BA and OBP were not the same. I did.
Sometimes you have to state things extra clearly and maybe a bit harshly when people don't understand it the first 10 times you explain it to them.
Your condescension remark is on the money unfortunately. People that are clued in to sabermetrics do in fact look down upon those that continue to use debunked stats. For better or worse that is just the way it is. It works the other way too. People that like the old-school stats often insult the saber geeks. Just look at kc61's post where he insulted me for saying BA was not as good as OBP. It works both ways.
I think it would be fair to say that Kc61 understands the flaws of BA and OBP. The guy has been on here for years and has quality stuff. he doesn't need a third grade lesson on this. Nor do I feel he was being condescending to you, he simply pointed out that BA can't be 100% useless and OBP a great metric as they are linked quite a bit. Yes BA has it's flaws, but it's not reasonable to completely throw out the door if we are going to be using OBP so much. I think most would agree that they have a preference for a .320/.350 hitter vs. a .260/.350 hitter.
His point was that the Reds are weak in both OBP and BA, and that in a perfect world the Reds should be trying to improve OBP through BA (ie. get hitters that walk at fair rates, but also have strong contact abilities, which is a skill the bulk of the team doesn't have).