Originally Posted by lollipopcurve
I don't think you have the big picture, RMR, sorry.
As I've said, I think the position shift was a huge plus for the Tigers, made them the team they are now.
I think it's possible they never acquire Fielder if Cabrera hadn't agreed to the shift.
Not at all about being nice. It is about sacrificing oneself for the team. I think it was a significant risk for Cabrera to take, yet he agreed to do so, and it did not affect his overall play. In fact, he thrived.
An established superstar who agrees to a position shift like this is rare. Larkin wouldn't. Votto wouldn't. (And their shifts would have been to easier positions.) And most baseball people would tell you superstars don't ever have to do it. (In other words, it is NOT management's call, and you know that.)
To me, it's not just individual stats.
I'm not going to argue this, because we see it differently. You've got a reductionist thing going, and I'm holistic. Never the twain shall meet.
I agree. His move made the team who they are. And what team is that? A team that won 88 games, 7 fewer than it did last year when Cabrera played 1B and Fielder was in Milwaukee. So, just how much did Cabrera's sacrifice help the team? How many games would they have won without Fielder and with Cabrera still at 1B?
You make it sound like nobody has ever moved from 1B back to 3B, a position they played earlier in their career. It's not exactly lacking historical precedent. If you're saying he should get extra credit because it could have meant embarrassment, fine.
But at the end of the day, all you do is make a case for Cabrera being value. You don't make a case for him being MOST valuable -- that is, more valuable than Mike Trout. We can't talk about one player in a vacuum when making a decision about who was the most valuable in the whole league.
You make it sound like people are crapping on Cabrera's season. We aren't. We're just saying that he wasn't MORE valuable than Mike Trout.
If your fundamental argument is that MVP is about more than how much a player helped his team win baseball games (through both on and off the field actions), that it's also about character, guts, whatever, I'll simply disagree with you. And, as I do that, I'll ask you what additional factors that you think matter in the MVP voting did you consider when you looked at Mike Trout's season?