Originally Posted by Dom Heffner
I don't think we are arguing that at all.
I showed you where Taylor Swift received critical success. You made fun of the sources.
So what you've boiled it down to is that you've decided that since a market consists of teenage girls and lame media likes her, it is therefore not good.
Music is about taste. You don't like her. But we can't be blinded by our own taste to say that something is bad.
I don't like Metallica. I would also tell you they are the best at what they do and are pioneers. I can make that observation by looking at the people who they appeal to and realizing that that group judges them to be very good.
And if we don't like something, it's not automatically because it's popular. If one is going against what you see as the general popular grain, one might actually have reasons for it.
dom, I feel like you should remember that I am a pop princess. I, like, dissect that stuff. I can defend Call Me Maybe as a piece of musical genius. The hooks are killer, the style of singing suits the song perfectly, the beats are both modern and timeless. The synth in the chorus is some of the best pop production ever. EVER. in terms of pop production, it is up there with the Beatles. I'm 100% serious.
And yes: I don't think Taylor Swift is very good. I think she sticks with a standard formula -- in her songwriting, in her singing, in her lyrics, in her execution (as a performer and in production). But she doesn't do anything especially interesting with it. I find it generic and vanilla and boring. I'm not saying she has to do anything NEW. I think The Strokes -- often miscategorized as a rock band -- are a stellar pop band, because they take a tried-and-true formula (chords, guitars, lyrics, everything), and they do absolutely nothing new with it. Except they do it incredibly well. I find Taylor Swift mediocre. I wouldn't feel any differently if she wasn't a mass success. She's boring and bland, but she has a niche, and she was packaged well and surrounded by money, so there you go. It doesn't mean she's good.
I'm also bugged by the fact that anyone ever refers to her music as country, as there's nothing remotely country about it. But that's probably not her fault.
Most of all, I find her message, the stories in her songs, and the general persona to be offensive, I really do. The fact that anyone could consider her a role model for young women is something I find borderline abhorrent.