Originally Posted by Brittingham.Sam
1.) Hamilton is not comparable to Jackson because jackson is power hitting run producing leadoff hitter. And so is mike trout (who will not be batting leadoff next year) so also not really comparable.
2.) being a cards fan i saw how overrated bourn was in houston and in atlanta. he is .272 career hitter, only had a obp of .350 once, and has never had 200 hits. he is the most overrated leadoff hitter. Honestly, Bourn's numbers are barely better than his predecessor in houston Willy Taveras.
3.) Fowler has a good career obp but is still a .271 career batter.
Hamilton is a leadoff hitter who relies on his legs to get on base, thats evident from his his lack of extra base hits. And if he is striking out at a 20% clip thats alot worse than jackson because he had 55 xb hits, trout had 65 xb hits, and while fowler only had 42 xb hits in'12 he had 55 in'11. In 50 games at double-a hamilton had a whopping 10 xb hits.
If you're saying hamilton is similar to any of these players then he is definitely movable. A deal with any of those players for Upton would be a good trade unless you already had a stacked outfield
Just because I use 2 names in the same post does not mean I'm comparing them. Just like with Yount and Biggio, absolutely, positively ZERO comparison was made other than Yount and Biggio made the switch when you said it can't happen and that those other leadoff hitters have a 20% K rate when you said that was a horrible rate for a leadoff man. I'm not the one using stats to try and prove Hamilton's worth. You are using statistics to disprove his worth and when I give evidence to the contrary you turn it around on me as if I'm throwing around comparable players.
I'm not going to get into the stuff about you devaluing Bourn and Fowler, which I totally disagree with, but I don't want to further stray from the topic