Originally Posted by Kc61
All I am saying is that you cannot ignore EE's subsequent development in evaluating this trade.
I disagree for two reasons. The Jays punted on Encarnacion after 2010. They got him back, but he was available to every club in the majors. If he had signed with Baltimore and put up the same numbers, we're not having a discussion about who won the trade.
Also, Encarnacion had no position with the Reds. He wasn't going to last at 3B and the Reds have that Votto guy at 1B. Had Encarnacion stayed with the Reds, he'd have been waived never to return.
Rolen was one of the best 3Bs in baseball in 2009 (when the Reds almost instantly transformed upon his arrival) and 2010. The Reds won this trade years ago. Rolen delivered, the Jays traded or waived every player they received. EdE's subsequent flourish strikes me as little more than a "good for him" sort of thing. I'm glad he's done well and it's good for the Jays that they had 1B and DH holes for him after his two weeks as A's property. None of that changes that the Reds got an All-Star 3B for two (so far) meh pitchers and a 3B who had to wash out before he found himself.