Originally Posted by AtomicDumpling
I never argued the Reds lost the trade. Where did you get that idea? I have said all along at least a dozen times in this thread alone that the trade was a wash. The trade was costly for both teams.
Edwin would have been far too expensive for the Reds to pick him up as Rolen's backup. The Reds would have had to pay EE several million dollars and they had already invested many millions in Rolen.
I disagree that any team could have gotten EE for nothing. That is not accurate. When EE was first placed on waivers in June 2010 so the Jays could send him on a stint to the minors. In order to claim him the Reds would have had to pay his pro-rated $5 million salary. After his contract was over after the 2010 season he was claimed on waivers by the A's, one of the first teams that could have claimed him. All that claim garnered them was the right to try to attempt to work out a contract with Edwin or they could have gone to arbitration and been forced to give him a raise over his previous $5 million salary. They couldn't come to a financial agreement on a contract with EE so he was released again a few days later. He then signed a $6 million contract with the Jays -- that is a long way from being picked up for nothing. When he became a free agent he chose to sign with the Blue Jays. It was up to him to choose which team to play for. He could have gone anywhere he wanted. I am sure the Reds were last on his list. No team had the right to just pick him up for nothing. He was an expensive player who had the right to negotiate with any team and he chose to stay where he was comfortable in Toronto. He would not be a Blue Jay right now if the Reds had not traded him to Toronto.
You explained that very well, but I think we can all agree that the Jays would not have put Encarnacion on waivers if they truly believed in him at the time. $2 million for the rest of the season wouldn't be much money for a decent player. Only problem is no one in MLB viewed Encarnacion as a decent player, including the Jays. For some reason, things magically changed for him in the coming years. Maybe I've seen too much of this in the last couple decades and I'm jaded, but I think you know what I chalk EE's immense improvement up to. I don't want to say you'd be naive to believe otherwise; that wouldn't be fair. It's merely my opinion.