Originally Posted by Brittingham.Sam
And now start the slew of sabremetric arguments that people need to go dig up and search for counter. Votto gets on base more than rice. thats his only stat that highly exceeds Rice. And as i said i wasn't looking at either of their entire careers. Just through age 28. Through age 28 Rice was a more productive player than Votto. Thats why he made more all star appearances and was in the running for MVP so much more. Joey didn't even get into the league until he was 24. That gives him 10 seasons of prime resume building before his numbers will begin to deteriorate. Through those 5 of those 10 years he is averaging less than 26 hr, and 88 rbi. If he was Eddie Murray and started doing that when he was 20 and kept it up till he was 40. Then yes he would be a shoe in for the hall. But as of right now, those numbers do not put him on pace to be a hall of famer. He is the 2nd best batter in the NL to Braun when he is healthy, but he is not on pace for a hall of fame career.
BUT, anything can happen in baseball, just look at Bautista, and Votto could become 40 hr 120 rbi guy for the next 5 years and i will be dead wrong (which i hope i am). That is why baseball is the best game.
I'm not big on sabremetrics either -- I'm more of an old school guy. But some of the numbers can't be ignored, such as WAR, OPS, etc. I don't think Joey has to become a 40-HR guy to make the HOF. When he got hurt in June, he was probably the best player in the game, despite not hitting a lot of HR. His lack of RBI were a result of not having many attempts with RISP. His AVG and OBP with RISP was outstanding, and while he wasn't hitting a lot of HR, he hit a ton of doubles and was among the league leader in XBH and TB before his injury. While old schoolers like us may not love sabremetrics, they are without a doubt going to be used more regularly when players are judged for HOF consideration.