Re: John Fay Abstains from HOF Voting to Avoid Casting Votes for Bonds and Clemens
Originally Posted by oneupper
OK, So this thread about Fay came back to being about steroids, the HOF and Clemens and Bonds. Iíll put in my 2 cents once again. (Iím up to several dollars already).
Bonds and Clemens are the poster boys of the so-called steroid era. The consensus is that they were already really good, but juiced themselves to get even better. So much better that they were still dominating the sport in an unprecedented manner well beyond what should have been their primes. SEVEN MVPs for Bonds. SEVEN Cy Youngs for Clemens. Both records. Both dominant into their 40s.
The problem is that they (along with all the other users) distorted themselves and the sport so far beyond ďnormalcyĒ that the statistics and the comparisons became absolutely meaningless. These two headed a ďme-firstĒ stampede, which trampled the careers of hundreds of potential major leaguers who decided not to go down that road. Bonds and Clemens made a Faustian pact using the sportís soul as collateral.
For that, they made millions of dollars in wages and endorsements. They were admired by the masses and the media. Their families are set for generations.
Once it was obvious that they had cheated egregiously, attempts were made to make them pay somehow with some deprivation of freedom. They bought their way of that with expensive lawyers.
Now the HOF issue comes up. On all accounts, induction into the HOF is an HONOR. Itís the place where the toughest competitors break down crying with emotion, recognizing how fortunate they were to have accomplished what they did and have it recognized. Sure, the HOF is a museum and a record-hall and what not. But induction is all about the honor.
Sorry (and I know its not my call), but I canít agree with honoring these two despicable human beings who have cheated and lied at every opportunity and not only gotten away with it, but were rewarded enormously for it. No, noÖa hundred times NO.
Bonds and Clemens have no honor and deserve none from baseball.
If other cheaters manage to wiggle their way in or players in the past bended the rules.. Well canít help that, can we? That has nothing to do about this. People get away with crimes all the time. We donít honor them for it (or at least I donít think we should) and we certainly donít dismiss future criminal activity because of it.
Man you've got me all FIRED up and agreeing with you!
My concern with this premise is where to draw the line--how do we decide about the guys closer to the fringe below Bonds and Clemens?
Why is it national sports writers cannot write as compelling of a set of words as this RZ poster?
"On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."