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Old 01-03-2013, 05:01 PM   #171
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Re: John Fay Abstains from HOF Voting to Avoid Casting Votes for Bonds and Clemens

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Originally Posted by traderumor View Post
I have a big problem with it.

He had 2/3 of his ABs in SF, 7 years in Pittsburgh, 15 in SF. He had just started hitting his prime when he left for the West Coast. I think you can infer the beginning of his PEDs usage as sometime once he went to SF, but I think it is fair to question any of his production, not just when his head got big. I'm not saying that is what you are using to mark when he started, but I think that is the common conception, and it begs the question regarding when he did actually start. Only God and Barry know.

I think he built his HOF credentials primarily in SF, where all of his production can be considered tainted, and therefore he should not be in the HOF. Plus, he's the poster child for the steroid scandal the same as Shoeless Joe and Pete are for gambling scandals.

If they let Bonds in, then the steroid impact on a career should not be considered for anyone.
No one except Bonds knows for sure, but others have said that he started using after McGwire and Sosa broke the HR record on PED's. His use was a direct reaction to it. And his numbers suggest that. He actually started to decline a bit in 1999, then saw drastic improvements in 2000-04.

From 1986-1998, Bonds had 445 HR's, 1299 RBI's and this slashline: .288/.409/559/968 163 OPS+ 3 MVP's.

He retires after that, he's a HOF'er, imo.
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