Originally Posted by jojo
Simply assuming a normal career trajectory after Pittsburgh puts him in the HOF.
And some logic professor just plucked this statement out for an example of "begging the question." Can I add you know what they say about assuming? Your responses are normally pretty solid, but this argument is very, very weak.
"Normal career trajectory" would be a wax nose term, plus at what age do you start calculating "normal career trajectory?" Here, before he left Pittsburgh? What about when he was 25? What do we do with the hundreds of folks (i.e. Albert Belle) you could say that about? How do you consider "normal career trajectory" when we don't know when the PEDs usage started? It could have started in Pittsburgh, after all, when his OPS jumped 200 points after a 700s OPS season in his mid 20s? Do we have a PEDs fudge factor to put into the "normal career trajectory" blender?
Of course, these are all questions voters should be trying to answer. Fay says "heck, I don't know, I'm just gonna abstain, da yuck, da yuck, da yuck."