Originally Posted by M2
I don't buy that for a moment. First off, I'll nominate the dynasty Yankees of the late '90s as a fairly low PED team.
Second, that's a convenient narrative for all other teams. Were the Indians clean with Albert, Thome and Manny? The '90s Phillies sure profiled as a juiced team (Dykstra, Hollins, Daulton, Incaviglia). And maybe the Pirates were juiced to the max, but it didn't matter. Maybe the DBacks milked one last big season from a whole slew of their 2001 roster thanks to chemical enhancement. Biggio and Bagwell played with Ken Caminiti on the Astros and that guy was far from clean. Supposedly the Mets had a clubhouse guy who could get you what you wanted. Edgar Martinez got a lot more muscular in his 30s. Brady Anderson is widely assumed to have juiced and Manny Alexander got caught red-handed, so how clean were the Orioles?
And what's the evidence on that one Cubs guy other than he was big and hit lots of homers? Because if that's evidence then how am I supposed to believe Mike Piazza was legit. BTW, no matter what anyone believes about Sosa, Larry Walker was a better player.
Anyway, I don't have roidar and I'm not assuming teams that may have enjoyed the benefits credulous or complicit reporting were the clean ones.
Not sure how any of that disjointed diatribe has much to do with the point I was making. I certainly wasn't making a comprehensive list of players who juiced. I was primarily referring to teams whose managers and general managers may be considered for induction into the Hall of Fame someday.
The point is that certain teams (and their managers and general managers) benefited tremendously from steroid cheating while other more honest teams (perhaps with more ethical managers who didn't allow cheating) suffered. It is pretty obvious that some teams had much greater involvement with steroids than other teams did.
I believe the managers and general managers of those teams were aware of the cheating and chose to allow it. They are guilty of cheating too. It seems that up to now only the players' reputations have been stained by the steroids scandal. Only the players' Hall of Fame candidacies are in jeopardy. In my opinion, if the players are going to be denied induction to the Hall of Fame for their involvement with steroids (which is fine with me), then their managers who allowed it should also be held accountable when they are being considered for induction into the Hall of Fame.