Re: John Fay Abstains from HOF Voting to Avoid Casting Votes for Bonds and Clemens
Originally Posted by Dom Heffner
Amphetamines didn't produce the offensive output we saw. Absolutley, positivley nothing of the sort.
To compare an "upper" with drugs that altered players physical appearance and increased muscle mass...you're not playing fair. Again, look at the number of 50 homer seasons during this era: more than all of baseball history combined. You used to blame the parks, pitching...funny, same parks, same pitching, not so many 50 homer seasons. Funny how that works out.
You can throw your head in the sand and talk about Gaylord Perry or how we don't know who was doing it and who wasn't...
I would say it's safe to say that Bonds and Clemens used, wouldn't you?
Lets be as accurate as possible. I would say its safe to say that Bonds and Clemens played in an era where steroid use was rampant and counting stats were inflated. Bonds and Clemens were generational players in that culture/context. Really, what can we say with specifics that truly informs the discussion in a way that doesn't involve assumptions that are based upon very little information? The problem with such assumptions is that they might lead to grossly innaccurate conclusions.
Also, I have a hard time with the argument that rampant amphetamine abuse was boys being boys but using the PED 2.0 version suddenly tainted the game.
Define the context of the era and compare players within their proper context. IMHO this discussion gets unnecesarily muddied because the offensive production of the "steroid era" somehow taints a nostalgic romantacism of the past and that seems to be unforgivable for alot of people. Mickey is still Mickey and the Duke is still the Duke. Ruth still was an alien. Bonds just happens to be the greatest position player to play in one of the most prolific offensive environments in the game's history. Clemens was his kryptonite.
This isn't hard.
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