Originally Posted by Scrap Irony
He was available to play the OF right after he got DFA'ed.
If you want to argue that the Reds should have picked him up then, fine.
But once he was DFA'ed and made available to every team in baseball to pick up free of charge (or close to it), that ends the trade value right there.
With Stewart's DFA on top of the DFAs of both EdE and Josh Roenicke, we can finally close the books on this deal and the circular logic that seems to follow.
In the time between the deal and his DFA, EdE put up a 2.0 WAR (ref, baseball-reference.com) for Toronto.
Stewart put up -1.8 WAR before he was DFA'ed.
Roenicke put up -0.7 in WAR before he was DFA'ed by Toronto.
That's a total of -0.5 WAR for the Blue Jays and others in the deal.
Rolen put up 6.9 WAR in 3 1/4 seasons with the Reds. If you only include the WAR he earned while under the original contract (before re-signing with the Reds), his WAR stood at 5.1.
So Jocketty gave up three players who would, collectively, accumulate less than replacement level results while garnering a 3B who performed at an All-Star level.
Paging Captain Obvious. Captain Obvious, please pick up the courtesy phone at the front desk.
Ummm...captain obvious, you're overlooking the entire basis of the argument. You're looking at what DID happen, not the situation at the time of the trade. We didn't know that Edwin would get worse and be DFA. We didn't know that he'd vastly improve and turn into a monster. We didn't know that Stewart would fall flat on his face.
What we DID know was that Stewart was a highly regarded prospect. Regardless of what some here thought about him, he was highly regarded by scouts. We also knew that Edwin was a solid hitter but VERY disappointing at third defensively. We also knew that he was quite athletic. My opinion is that he would've made a very capable LF'er if given a shot. We also knew that Rolen's best years were behind him, he's got a very shaky injury history and that he was looking to leave Toronto for his preference to a midwestern team. We also know that those options were pretty fairly limited.
Bringing in a Rolen to that clubhouse was a fantastic move. No question. The only question I had was that Walt overpaid to make it happen. Not in hindsight, but with what we knew at that time. Walt had the leverage (Rolen wanted out, preferred the Reds, was damaged goods, past his prime) and the Toronto GM made him overpay IMO.