Originally Posted by TRF
well, perhaps that was the one that caught my attention. I do believe he is willing to part with top prospects, HOW they turn out may not be relevant. If the industry at large perceives them to be top prospects, then they have value. And that perceived value is important. It gives the team that controls them leverage. Now maybe the Reds ML coaches knew that Stewart was going to top out as a AAA-AAAA pitcher. Maybe, but then the Reds coaches and talent evaluators were not really producing ANY credible pitching. It's the same team that thought Stubbs was a leadoff hitter despite the fact that he failed at that at every stop in the minors. but I digress...
I think EE and Roenicke should have been enough with the information available at the time. I also think EE to LF was certainly possible then, as he was/is athletic, has a powerful arm and some speed. I absolutely believe he could have replaced Adam Dunn the day Dunn was traded. But that is a serious move that requires Harbaugh like guts.
Seriously, Johnny bench had a few games in CF. EE can handle LF pretty much anywhere.
Ok, lets assume Stewart had a high percieved value among the league that exceeded his actual value. Can we agree to this? Because he's certainly been a flop so far.
If you have an asset whose percieved value is greater than the actual value, it makes a lot of sense to cash him in at that point.
If Stewart is percieved as being worth a dollar, and his actual value is 10 cents, but the Reds trade him for 80 cents, isn't that still a shrewd trade.
EdE had negative value at the time of the trade. I think he was due 5 million dollars the next year and had no defined position and no one ever expected him to amount to anything. If we are saying that Stewart must be evaluated on percieved value, then we have to be realistic about EdE's percieved value too. EdE was a liability. This was proven when he was released. The Reds tossed him in the trade because they couldn't afford to carry his salary on the bench.
Maybe you can make the argument that the Reds could've kept EdE, and took on more salary to get Rolen, and then MAYBE a prospect other than Stewart could've been dealt, but I think that's a longshot. You got to give Toronto something they want, otherwise they'll just keep Rolen until he becomes a FA.
I can't think of a midyear trade in my lifetime where a valuable veterans was traded midseason for what was percieved as pure chaff at the time (thats what Roenickee and EdE were at the time of the trade).. Maybe it's happened in a pure salary dump, but it's a rare occurance. Rolen was playing well at the time of the trade. Toronto was in a position to get something useful for him or just keep him. Toronto has shown that they will hold a guy rather than trade him for a lowball offer. Please, let's give them some credit.. This is like saying the Yankees could've picked up Neagle without a Henson/Pena prospect as the centerpiece, because Neagle was leaving as a FA anyhow..
Just because Redszone percieved Stewart as valuable, doesn't mean the Reds did. For all we know, Jocketty and company may have muted the phone and laughed when Toronto asked for Stewart. Something really smells bad about Stewart.. he's so young, yet already been passed around a lot. A lot of teams have given up on him already. It's pretty telling that Pittsburg couldn't find a place on their roster for him as the mopup man out of the pen.