Originally Posted by OGB
I've heard this kind of argument before, and frankly, it's insulting. I've been told by Browns fans that it's a joke we consider them such a rival because THEY don't even put us on the same plane of existence with their hatred of Baltimore and Pitt. Relax, Browns fan, we're rivals because we're in the same division, in the same state, fans of one team are more likely to know and regularly see fans if another. If any fan base should consider the other less of a rival, it's Bengals fans, since we've been beating them far more often in recent history.
As far as StL goes, you're our rival because you're really good, because we compete for the same division, we play 5 or 6 series a year, and because our respective teams clearly don't get along. Baseball rivalries are fluid. Some liked Boston/NYY are steeped in tradition. Some like Chi/StL are related to geography. But most have to do with who your main competition is at the time.
For a long time, the Reds rivals were La. Then it was Houston. Now neither of those teams are relevant rivalry wise.
Ill give you KC and Chi, but if you asked most NYM or LA fans if the Cardinals were a rival, rheyd probably laugh and say ""What what are you talking about?"
My point was our rivalry is not one of hatred in my eyes. Hate is a word used regularly by posters on the board when talking about the cardinals franchise, their personnel, and their fans. Maybe im just never at the right place or right time, but i dont hear the same amount of hate speech about the reds from cards fans as i see from reds fans on this board towards the cardinals.
Cardinal fans hate phillips and cueto. But they all still really respect walt jocketty, and teams that plays a hard nose brand of baseball like the reds do. People here have brought up stuff cards fans say on stl today and i admit i dont go there so i havent seen it. I do frequent "birdsonthebat" and "cardsclubhouse" and while people there vent their frustrations about the reds kicking cardinal butt, they dont hate on everything the franchise has done or stands for.