Originally Posted by M2
You've said a lot more than that, but I'm not going to cut and paste every post you've made in this thread to hammer on that point.
Where you've got a drive-a-truck-through-it hole is on the testing being easy to beat but players being disinclined to do so (or even fretful over getting caught by the shoddy system). That doesn't hold water.
It's far more likely that testing is generally effective and that it takes a good bit of work and planning to beat it, not to mention some talent for keeping a secret and not leaving an evidence trail. If you're going to make a career of PED use in the current climate, I suspect that would be mildly exhausting.
We are definitely coming at this from two different angles. Where they entwine is if he was guilty in 2011. That's where the Braun story takes its twists and turns. Maybe he used once at the very end of 2011 and it has no real bearing on the rest of his career. Or maybe he's used and it's had no real effect on his performance (which is always good regardless). Or maybe he's used his whole life, in which case it's a long way down the rabbit hole.
My recommendation is to put Braun on the backburner. If he's truly a lifelong PED user, eventually it will come to light. If 2011 was an isolated incident, then it's not worth harping on.
Originally Posted by jojo
Bull pucky. You've clearly indicated that you believe Ryan Braun's numbers are enhanced by PEDs use:
You're also trying to have it both ways:
MLB's testing policy can't be a failure if you're also claiming testing has significantly altered the run scoring environment.
Also, you've emphatically stated that mlb isn't serious or effective by comparing mlb to the nfl. You can get gynecomastia from just breathing the air in nfl locker rooms.
Also, you can't argue that it's the legality of PED use not the potential to influence performance that has ruined baseball for you. Amphetamines weren't legal yet I don't hear you condemning the 60' and 70's.
Which HR record's integrity was destroyed by Bonds? Was it Babe Ruth's all white player HR record or Hank Aaron's amphetamine era HR record? Both?
I'm wondering how old you are because I'm wondering if you've ever seen a professional baseball game that lived up to your definition of integrity. Why is it again that you watch?
Nowhere in there did I say Braun's numbers were improved by his use of Steroids. The Sasquatch thing was a joke...haha
Whether it improves performance or not, doesn't matter. What matters is that is calls into question all the records created during the "Steroid Era." I'm not getting into Bonds.
I am 45, which I doubt is relevant and Pete Rose, George Foster, Eric Davis, Mario Soto, Tom Seaver and Drew Stubbs have been my favorite players. I am having a hard time finding a new favorite player, but that CF in LAA or that Harper kid, I really like. But they aren't Reds...sigh...I could have predicted your jump back into the conversation but...