[jojo]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

And jojo, there is plenty of gray area on this subject and plenty of decent points to be made. But as with your correcting the record of Arroyos tenure here earlier today, perhaps you can understand my not wanting that fact to pass thru unchecked. There were more power spikes. I'm open to having a factually honest discussion about that and why that may be. But to ignore that fact is not being up front to anyone who just reads the post and accepts that as is. I do believe Nate Silver was misrepresented earlier, and would like the record I show that. What I mean by that is with Nate openly questioning himself on the second graph, I don't believe he would assert that it is proof of anything.

It wasn't a question meant to be argumentative. I'm pretty curious. My guess is that the best we can talk about are trends because of all of the noise in such a complex thing as baseball. But that's a problem with a lot of issues with baseball and not an argument that steroids didn't effect the game.

There's lots a problems here. Maybe a first problem is trying to figure out just what was a clean baseline? I'm not sure we really enough know enough to establish an accurate basis for comparison.