Originally Posted by scott91575
Yet high leverage is not all closers, so it's not applicable to this situation. Only high leverage and a save situation would be applicable. A high leverage situation with a non closer has no relevance to the debate at hand since that has zero impact on how much a closer affects wins and losses.
Now if you want to say closers should not be used to only close the ballgame in a save situation (so they are no longer technically a closer) and instead should be used in a higher percentage of high leverage situations, I am on board.
That's what I'm saying. And "closers" and "high leverage" have been synonymous for most of MLB history, so it actually has more relevance than the current "save situation."
I would agree that closers, the way closers are used today and have been for the past 15 years or so, don't matter much.