Originally Posted by Redsfaithful
Arrogant, possibly, I'm not seeing the flawed logic, and you're not proving it with your post. Just saying it is so, does not make it so. Crying strawman and saying I'm begging the question is so incredibly lazy unless you're going to specifically point it out. You didn't refute anything I said, surely you see that? I'm discussing it all in good faith, but you're just devolving into name calling and lazy arguments.
It's very possible I haven't "exhausted" the benefits and non-benefits of a college education, but you're not showing me any of which I'm unaware, so I guess I'll just stay ignorant.
You seem really touchy about your education and it's merits. I know it probably sucks sending in that student loan check every month (of course, I wouldn't know!), but it's still possible to consider it all rationally.
I was at Ohio State for Bellisari also (I didn't graduate so wasn't there anymore in 2002, but was still in Columbus) and I saw a difference. I saw empty seats too. They were officially sell outs though. But 1999 was after a pretty good decade, give me 4-5 1999's in a row and things would change, and it's guys like Braxton Miller who ensure that doesn't happen.
I most certainly demonstrated you begging the question. Your strawman is constructed of the arguments that you have used already. You are making the claims, I rebutted them AND demonstrated exactly HOW you were begging the question.
If you think a college education is not valuable, that's dandy. But please do not present your opinion as if you have evidence to support it because you think you've outearned your peers to date (more begging the question).
The funny thing is that I am not a "you MUST go to college if you want to make it in this world...." type of guy, so the ad hominem "touchy" attack is misplaced. For example, I have not saved a dime for my kids college education, that's their choice. If they go, I will financially support them to help them get ahead, if they don't I will support them to help them get ahead.
I am merely addressing your arrogance and weak, illogical argumentation on the subject. As for being irrational, that is defined as illogical argumentation. But you go on with your bad self, Mr. Alger.