Re: 4/10/13 - Reds at Cardinals
Originally Posted by HometownHero
Wow Jojo you are unbelievably butthurt over me using the term mentally handicapped, its retarded how bad its eating at you. Being rated high doesn't win games the two years the Cardinals won the World Series they had a system ranked 21st and 24th, the years before they won it they were even lower.
As anyone can be #1 for a bit if they don't trade anyone and land a bunch of extra picks, like I said it was 24th two years ago and will be back towards the bottom in another two years. We were dead last in 2006 and had a MVP already in the system, also an All-Star RF, one of our SP and 2 of our BP arms, another MLB SP we traded for another piece of our BP and had the prospect we traded to get Brandon Phillips just 8 days after we were rated dead last.
The Royals had one of the better systems in recent years and out of those in the Top-10 they have a failed SP turned good BP arm, 2 under preforming position players both about to hit arbitration the next two years and traded two of those in the Top-5 that year plus two more prospects to get a strong innings eater and a failed SP turned good BP piece now back to a SP because the starters they had high hopes on didn't pan out.
The best thing to do with hyped system is to trade for proven players since no matter what a good number of the prospects aren't going to make it, and others aren't going to match the hype if they do become big league players. Then if your prospects aren't matching your holes you get into a spot like the Cardinals are in. They either have to let proven players go to replace them with gambles, let them rot in the minors and risk injury and poor performance or hope to stash them on the bench an burn their prospect tag and start the clock both lowering the value and hurting the ranking.
No matter how they work it they have 3 spots for Jay, Beltran, Craig, Adams and Taveras. They will no doubt drop Beltran and he has 33 HR and 105 RBI in 161 games with the Cardinals and hit .357/.440/.714/1.154 in the playoffs that will be a lot to ask a rookie to match. If Oscar fills that role they still don't have a home for Adams unless that dump Jay and he has gave them .297/.355 at the top of the order and nice defense in CF. Then to fit Wong in everyday they either have to dump Freese who is a hometown hero himself winning the NLCS and WS MVP with some help for Nelly Cruz' misplay in RF or move Carpenter off 2B and his bat plays much better at 2nd.
So they have 2 prospects ready for the show by the All-Star beak and one there now without a position and have Miller and Rosenthal taking the spot of Lohse and basically Motte who looks likely out for the year and when he comes back sometime next year will just fill the void of Mujica who will be forced out due to money. So that's 5 of the top 7 prospects making the majors without actually filling a spot of a weak link and all replacing or forcing out key players which will be hard to match in first year or so and you still have one of them without a position unless the NL changes its rules.
Dude, you're the one arguing that having one of the best farm systems in baseball is a big problem and you're doing it in about as pejorative a way as possible regarding the Cardinal fanbase.
It's one of the stranger arguments I've seen on the ORG and I've been around long enough to have seen just about all of them.
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