Originally Posted by Vottomatic
Wow. I'm in huge disagreement with you about Frazier.
Frazier is the epitome of an average minor leaguer who has become a better major leaguer. It's very rare to see that.
I don't think he'll ever be more than a .250 hitter, but with the potential to hit 25 HR's. I also think, unlike Jay Bruce, Frazier will survive because the expectations are lower.
There's a reason Todd has several of the longest HR's ever hit at GABP..........dude hits the ball hard nearly every time. But he also knows when to simply put it into play, hit to the right side to move over a runner, or hit a Sac fly to get the runner in. He's willing to do the little things unlike some guys. But his big swing does allow for more K's than usual.
Completely disagree about his defense. Dude has made great strides and is better than average at 3B. And most people I talk to believe this and I think you're in the minority on his defense. He is much improved. And I was concerned about it coming into the season. I'm not anymore.
And his improved defense is a sign of a hard worker. Which probably explains why he went from being an average minor leaguer to a major leaguer. He continues to improve every aspect of his game.
The odd thing I find is that most fans I talk to off of this board see my point on Frazier. Maybe I'm stating it in the wrong way. I like Todd. I love his attitude and his hard work. No doubt about that. If the makeup of this team were different, I'd probably be all for him. If the team was made up of high contact guys who lacked power, he'd be a no brainer to be in just for the pop, but this team is made up of the complete opposite. I see cozart, Frazier and Bruce as the most serious feast or famine offenders.
I know a lot of people dog Bruce. He frustrates me to no end too. But contrary to popular belief, he does get some clutch hits. And by what you say about Frazier being a 250 25 hr guy, Bruce is already that and then some. To top it off Bruce is a near elite caliber defender in right and saves runs nearly every game with his glove and arm.
Cozart is a streaky hitter, but he by no means is counted on to be a primary run producer. His defense is near gold glove caliber. It'd be hard pressed to find a better guy than him.
That leads me to Frazier. He is a LESSER version of Bruce. High K low contact with pop. If he maxes out his talent, he is what Bruce is right now with bruce having room to get much better. And that's not taking D into account. Frazier has put in work. No doubting that. But he makes the easy plays look average, the average plays look hard, and the hard plus look near impossible. He sails a lot of his throws too. I see votto pulled back across first a lot. It's going to get him ran over. Todd can work all day long, but he will never be the caliber of 3b that Bruce is in right or cozart is at short. You will never see Frazier make the number of run saving plays that Bruce or cozart do. And when he's in cold mode like right now he doesn't bring anything to the team aside from pop off the bench.
I'm probably going to sound like a jerk about this but if the best thing you can say about a guy is that he works hard, then It is probablt the polite way of saying he leaves more to be desired in his actual performance. Lets look at votto and choo offensively. They work their tails off. But is that the best thing you can say about them offensively? No it isn't. Lets look at choo in center. We say he is a Tireless worker and always put forth effort, but we know that's the kindest thing we can say about him there and there is way more to be desired.
I like Todd. He has a great attitude, works hard, and hits it hard when he died hit it. But there are better defensive options already on this team and when his bat is cold, he doesn't bring anything extra to the field. Even when his bat is not cold, he's way too susceptible to the K like various others I. The lineup who offer the run saving defense Todd doesn't.