Originally Posted by RedlegJake
You are close but no cigar. Ignore strikeouts. They are not the enemy here. I agree they are bad in certain situations but historically you trade Ks for power. Willie Mays did not shorten up...nor Robby or Mantle. The proper stat to pair with obp in re scoring is SP. High enough slugging with good obp will result in lots of runs. The Reds you call out over and over Frazier and Cozart especially and big time Jay Bruce...are striking out at record clips but not slugging per norms. Add that Mes has been dinking and singling when his minor league forte was slugging and the offense has a problem. Is it strikeouts? Not really other than they are making outs and struggling to drive the ball when they do make contact. 3 of these guys are sophomores and "sophomore jinx" is reality. No curse but the fact teams have a full off season to analyze film and develop full scouting reports. Mes, Frazier and Cozie need to adjust to that...add in the frustrations of the lineup (even Joey seems to be pressing now - ever seen so many bad swings from him as lately? Think he doesn t feel the weight of being the leader?) Frazier? He won't finish hitting .230 but its his sp you need to look at. Same for Cozart. Mes and Bruce I have confidence in. Frazier and Cozart had less impressive minors. Given that Cozart is gold glove caliber just bat him 8th and forget about it. Not his fault Dusty misuses him. Mes will hit and hit for loeer if he gets to play. Dusty again. Frazier has actually played a very very good 3B so far something you continually get wrong Old School. Looking at range and glove he's been quite solid. Again its SP which is all from the first few games. Give me a .500 SP from Todd and he can strikeout all he does and who cares. This is by design a high K high Slugging lineup. Choo was brought to fix the leadoff hole. Everyone else wad supposed to slug at high rates and Walt + company knew there would be scads of Ks. They just figured there'd be lots of doubles and homers as an offset. So far that hasn't proven out.
What rubbed me the wrong way was that you said you'd rather not have young and leave Frazier at third and the current blackhoke in left. Obp causes base runners which cause RBI opportunities. Right now with cozart in the two spot our sluggers Votto Phillios Bruce and Frazier are not getting the amount if RBI opportunities which, when teamed with the current lack of power and Ks, leads to a situation where it makes the Ks hurt more than normal. Now insert young. Unlike Cy was saying young will be an above average two hole hitter and get in base and create more obp and thus more RBI chances for the sluggers while moving cozart down to 8 where he belongs.
Furthermore it would play to fraziers strengths which are the ability to play multiple positions(put him in left in a platoon with lutz until one distinguishes himself) and to hit for power. I'm not totally down on Frazier. I think he could be used better. I like your description of the sophomore jinx as well. It's all about adjusting. IMO Frazier isn't going through a jinx though. I really think he overperformed last year (I really hope I'm wrong bc he is a great guy and hard worker and is love to have that on the team if it has production included in it).
But back to the trade idea. Young for arroyo. You would basically be trading a rental for rental and it could be easily Rgued that the rotation would be better once cueto returns and having cingrani in arroyos place. Even more by trading arroyo you would t be giving up prospects that could be used in a later trade for a power hitting left fielder to further fortify the lineup.