Originally Posted by Vottomatic
Meh. Won't happen. Reds are adding too much payroll. Stanton is under control for awhile. Sure, he gets a raise in arbitration, but not $10M or $20M. Nolasco comes with enough salary to kill the deal. But he and Polanco are FA's after 2013. I don't see the Reds giving up their long term answer to 3B for a 37 year old. Plus the Reds are already paying Hannahan as backup to 3B.
Neither team is looking to take much salary, if any.
Polanco, 37 years old, $2.75M in 2013, FA in 2014
Nolasco, 30 years old, $11.5M in 2013, FA in 2014
Ruggiano, 31 years old, minimum
Stanton, 23 years old, minimum, arbitration in 2014
Not sure why the Reds need Ruggiano when they already have Heisey. Unless you include Heisey in the trade when he comes off the DL.
So maybe something like this......
Stanton - main target for Reds in trade
Nolasco - Fish require Reds take on his salary. But he is a FA in 2014
Ruggiano - takes place of Heisey as back up CFer or full time CFer and Choo moves to LF. Makes the minimum for years to come.
Mike Dunn (LH Reliever, 1.72 e.r.a.) - strengthens the bullpen immediately against lefties. Lefties hitting .226 against him this season. Arbitration eligible in 2014. FA in 2017.
Heisey (major leaguer) - younger version of Ruggiano
Leake (major leaguer) - young and just now hitting arbitration, replaces Nolasco at a cheaper rate.
F Perez (AAA) - candidate/prospect to replace Stanton; cheap
N. Soto (AAA) - 1B candidate to replace Marlins Greg Dobbs (34 years old).
B. Hamilton (AAA) - Reds #1 prospect
Corcino (AAA) - Reds 3rd best pitching prospect
HRod (AAA) - heir apparent to Polanco at 3B
Logan Ondrusek - replaces Dunn in bullpen.
Frankly, I think that's a pretty good haul for the Fish even if Billy Hamilton wasn't included.
I was saying maybe Polanco. I could see maybe including Hrod instead of Frazier. I. Your version of the deal, aside from Hamilton and leake, the reds are giving the fish a lot of second tier prospects. Isn't there top position player prospect a center fielder? I think in that case they wouldn't want Hamilton. Lutz and heisey offer a major league ready guy and a guy with a few years of experience. Frazier would be a sweetner plus they could pay a lower price than for Polanco, who would platoon with hannahan until seasons end. The acquisition if Stanton would lessen the need for fraziers bat. It'd be tough loosing cingrani and leake but I think the fish would welcome the pitching help. At that pint the top three in their rotation would look pretty good. I know the reds would be taking on money, but it's money that comes off the books at years end. It'd be kind if a win now trade, but not a minor league busting trade. Next year for the reds Hamilton can slide into center if choo isn't resigned and Hrod can go to third or platoon with hannahan. Corcino could go into the rotation and arroyo could be either resigned or another pitcher be brought in.
All And all I just don't think you'd be giving up enough.
Cingrani has more upside than leake and by giving them both I'd be a real deal starter
Lutz is more versatile than Soto and IMO had greater upside. He'd be a better pie e for the fish than Perez who'd be a stopgap at best. Late 20s and in AAA with no majors experience.
Frazier and Hrod to me is almost a push depending on what kind of player you need. If the reds acquire Stanton you can go with more contact and Frazier has more trade value. Plus the fish could see Frazier and lutz make up for the lost power.
Heisey is a servicable backup
Travieso has plus stuff but is years away and may not be ready until the reds window of opportunity is past
Either Cisco or Romano is a nice sweetner piece but no major loss to the big league club until like 2 or three years from now.
The only way I could see my proposed deal being different is to take leake out and put corcino in do the reds can keep reliable big league pitching.