Originally Posted by Vottomatic
Playing devil's advocate..........you've mentioned the idea of trading Frazier in other threads.
If you think Frazier's value is so low and he's not that good.........then why do you think some other team would want him?
Another way of looking at it from Reds management point of view is that not every player on the field can be a high salary guy. Reds are smaller market and have to mix in young players making closer to the minimum and under control for awhile such as Cozart and Frazier. The idea that they can obtain and pay ..........and nobody has brought this name up.......this is just for argument's sake to prove a point.........but say Hanley Ramirez at SS and maybe Chase Headley or David Wright at 3B, to go with BP, Votto, Bruce, Ludwick, Choo, and a boatload of the pitching staff making big money................there's just not enough money to go around. They have to balance out the payroll more than a lot of teams do.
Your reasoning for the reds front office is the exact reasoning another front office would use in acquiring a player like Frazier along with prospects for a higher quality player. Frazier when playing at a better clip than now offers pretty good bang for the buck. Plus they'd get other prospects. I see Frazier as a trade chip not because I think he is horrible (different than overrated by fans like I say he is) but because he does have that bang for the buck value and he is a like a lot of the plsyers the reds have. Feast or famine type hitter. I think the reds need some more disciplined type bats in order to do well in the playoffs, which I'm sure we all can agree on, is a different beast than the regular season. If the reds can get a guy like the ones you mentioned ( I don't like Hanley) I think they could handle a temporary spending bump this year and even things out with a few moves in the offseason.
They would acquire Frazier because he is what I think he is and was with the reds last year. An excellent place holder for a better player. For example if traded in a move for Headley he could be inserted in the padres lineup and still give good quality major league power, while the real heart of the deal would probably be the prospects namely pitchers that's go the other way. Her be a place holder. To offset the budget maybe the reds could dump a ludwick off to the Yankees in the offseason or a chapman for a prospect like I see in many threads here. Maybe they don't bring choo back and go Headley at third and Hamilton in center. There are payroll options. It's just has to do with the amount if risk Walt and co are willing to take.