Originally Posted by qotsa04
Although I don't want to say anything since I have received 'infraction' message for the reason of being right, I'll just say a few words.
According to your opinion, Molina is a better hitter than even Votto. Right?
In baseball, Hitter is not just a hitter.
'HItter' is a person who can reach the base not only via 'Hit' but also via Walk and HBP.
Why is Votto a great hitter? What's the differences between Votto and other hitters?
'The ability to draw walk on the basis of the plate discipline' is one of the main differences.
Many people don't appreciate the value of base on balls.(for example, leadoff walks causing the trouble)
According to the glossary of FanGraphs.com, 'OBP is considered more accurate than Batting Average in measuring a player’s offensive value, since it takes into account hits and walks. A player could bat over .300, but if they don’t walk at all, they’re not helping their team as much as a .270 hitter with a .380 OBP.'
Actually I was wanting a first hand account if what your operational definition if hitting was, so I could make more sense of your statements. I completely agree that a players offensive production is far more than his batting average. Anyone who doesn't see that at this point, seems to be taking a very narrow minded aprriach to the game.
I'm about far more than looking at the numbers as well. I like to look at players' individual approaches and plate discipline. Honestly overall as a team, I think the reds with the exceptions of choo votto and sometimes Phillips are lacking disciplined patient hitters.
As far as Molina v. Votto, votto is a superior offensive player. I don't even think most cardinals fans would argue that.
As far as against left handed pitching, I agree looking at the big picture, choo gets on base at a decent clip, but certain situations in the game call for putting bat to ball and driving in runs or getting runners over. Yes OBP is highly important, but against lefties choo does not have great ability to get in base or knock runners in by physically putting the bat on the ball. So sure, he can be productive against lefties by getting on, but as far as bring productive by the hit against lefties he is deficient.
As far as calling jake stupid, that was just not called for. He makes very good posts backed up by data and observation. He and I have not seen eye to eye in a variety of things, but I don't think we've ever resorted to calling each other names. He's a very good poster here with very informed opinions. So maybe hold off on the stupid comments.