Originally Posted by MikeThierry
Wait... so asking the umpire to get help from the home plate umpire on the play was whining? That's all Matheny asked the umpire to do and he refused to do so. The reason why the next night he was being badgered is because his strike zone was all over the place and there was no consistency for both the Reds and the Cardinals. You act as though this stuff only happens to the Cardinals when every team or coach disputes calls.
It's not that I'm surprised that Reds fans view the actions of their primary rival in a negative light. What surprises me, because it seems it's on a middle school/high school mentality sort of level, is the things some of you tend to bicker over. Rather than focus on major, legitimate things that could be questioned, you tend to focus on things that every club does (ie, argue a disputed call) and correlate that with whining. It makes some of you look rather petty and silly to be honest.
And Tony, I'm no apologizing. You are pulling stuff out of your butt on this one. I went to the other boards and maybe there were one or two threads on the subject, nothing spectacular or overblown. One or two threads in a forum does not equal an entire fan base complaining about something. If I were to take the same stance you are taking, then everyone in Reds nation wants Dusty Baker fired going by what I've seen here. However, I'm not going to judge a fan base based on one or two threads, like you seem to be doing. All I ask is enough with this middle school stuff and I'm finished with this conversation. If you want to talk more, send me a private message.
You realize that all of this started years ago, when the Cardinals really did whine about everything, from balls rubbed the wrong way, to fireworks going off, to a pitcher's own fielder not wearing tne right glove, and is more of a running joke than anything. And it will continue for some time now. It's a well deserved reputation that will takes years to fade away.