Originally Posted by RedEye
As I just mentioned, the quality of the conversation about Dusty here is usually very different. Those threads usually cover the merits of his strategy in the game -- of his lineups, of his bullpen usage, etc. Though some posters do occasionally attack him personally, that's not something I condone or hope for, and it doesn't disqualify the merits of the other discussions that happen, since there are concrete elements of managerial choice that can be discussed fruitfully regarding Dusty. With Votto's supposed "boneheadedness" we have few places to go other than baseless speculation. I suspect that's where the mocking comes in (though I don't condone that either).
Actually with Joey's issues of late (being picked off easily while seemingly daydreaming, dropping 2 routine throws to 1B, miscommunication on pop flys with both Bruce and Mes) it's pretty easy to see in black and white, it is definitely not "baseless speculation." Joe had a rough week, he doesn't have that very often. He looked as if his mind were elsewhere. He needed a day off. Make no mistake, Joey Votto at 80-90% is still a great ballplayer, but others whom have noticed the same as me deserve to be heard, I think.
With Dusty, I see a ton of daily, constant speculation, baseless or not. There is certainly room for healthy discussion over who should play and who should not, the batting order, and how to handle a pitching staff. But the constant second guessing is tiresome, to me and others here, and I really don't see how Joey Votto is innocent this week, but Dusty Baker is guilty and must be 2nd guessed.
This is a Reds message board, so I understand why Dusty is constantly called out. I tend to just skip over those threads, unless they are outrageously egregious.
Shouldn't we apply the same standards to all Reds players that are applied here to Dusty? Or no? Why should Joey not be held to that standard that many have set here?