Originally Posted by Always Red
Actually with Joey's issues of late (being picked off easily while seemingly daydreaming, dropping 2 routine throws to 1B, miscommunication on pop flys with both Bruce and Mes) it's pretty easy to see in black and white, it is definitely not "baseless speculation." Joe had a rough week, he doesn't have that very often. He looked as if his mind were elsewhere. He needed a day off. Make no mistake, Joey Votto at 80-90% is still a great ballplayer, but others whom have noticed the same as me deserve to be heard, I think.
With Dusty, I see a ton of daily, constant speculation, baseless or not. There is certainly room for healthy discussion over who should play and who should not, the batting order, and how to handle a pitching staff. But the constant second guessing is tiresome, to me and others here, and I really don't see how Joey Votto is innocent this week, but Dusty Baker is guilty and must be 2nd guessed.
This is a Reds message board, so I understand why Dusty is constantly called out. I tend to just skip over those threads, unless they are outrageously egregious.
Shouldn't we apply the same standards to all Reds players that are applied here to Dusty? Or no? Why should Joey not be held to that standard that many have set here?
You are missing my point. Let's say I grant you that Votto has made a few more mental errors lately. Where do we go from there? Not very far at all. We won't arrive at any kind of sound reasoning for why these things happened other than empty clichés and platitudes ("he needs a day off" or "he needs to get his head in the game") or crazy, baseless speculation ("maybe his anxiety is back!") That's not good form for a community like ours, IMO.
With Dusty, the conversation does sometimes veer towards the distasteful, but many times it also involves questioning his actual game strategy or his philosophy of managing (lineup, bullpen usage, in-game substitutions). That's different, and it can be fruitful. It's certainly fodder for an internet message board like ours. It too can get tired if done incessantly -- but at least it's not just sensationalism from the get go ("maybe he's still worried about his knee!")