Originally Posted by RedEye
You are missing my point. Let's say I grant you that Votto has made a few more mental errors lately. Where do we go from there? Not very far at all. We won't arrive at any kind of sound reasoning for why these things happened other than empty clichés and platitudes ("he needs a day off" or "he needs to get his head in the game") or crazy, baseless speculation ("maybe his anxiety is back!") That's not good form for a community like ours, IMO.
With Dusty, the conversation does sometimes veer towards the distasteful, but many times it also involves questioning his actual game strategy (lineup, bullpen usage, in-game substitutions). That's different, and it can be fruitful. It too can get old -- but at least it's not just sensationalism from the get go.
It's really a simple question- should the same standard be applied to threads about both Reds players and the manager Dusty Baker? Understand that I do not accuse you of doing so, RedEye. But many here do apply different standards.
Should we have the same standard or not?
As I stated before, Joey's lapses this week were easy for all to see. Baker's "lapses" are not considered lapses by all. Votto got a little ribbing in this thread and some took umbrage. Baker receives constant ridicule and criticism, on a daily basis, over decisions that he makes that most other managers in the game would do the exact same thing as he does.
If Joey's off limits, then maybe Dusty should be, too.
If Dusty's fair game, then maybe Joey should be, too.
That's all I'm saying. Fair is fair. I'm big fans of both of them.