Originally Posted by Kc61
Let's try and stick to what was said. I didn't advocate being sellers I said it was an idea.
Further, there have been GMs, I recall the Chisox one year, who have "sold" despite having a pretty good record. They did so because they didn't believe the team was really a top contender and wanted to get there. May also have been financial reasons.
If the Reds are seriously in the hunt to win the division, then obviously I wouldn't do it But if they are 10 games out vying for the last wild card spot, you have to think about trading a veteran whose contract is nearly up for good prospects.
The Reds have a tough schedule, we'll see where they are. It's an unlikely scenario, but not impossible to imagine.
And if somebody really wants Arroyo for the stretch drive, with Cingrani in the wings for the Reds, is it out of the question? If they offer a very good prospect?
Sure, you said it was an idea. I was asking why a team that was 6 games ahead in the playoff race would want to diminish their chances of making the playoffs by trading core pieces.
I am of the idea that all players are tradeable at any time, but teams must focus on their window when looking at value. The Reds are in great shape to make the playoffs. Clearly, the Reds window is now. You mentioned trading Choo, Arroyo, Bailey, Lecure and Marshall. The only teams interested in those players would be contenders. Contenders do not usually give up solid major leaguers for other solid major leaguers. Sure it is a possibility, but it would not make either team a seller.
I certainly hope Walt is not taking pointers from Ken Williams, especially regarding selling players when in the midst of a playoff race. Ken Williams is not the precedent I want my GM to follow.
For the Reds to be 10 games out at the All-Star break, the Reds would have to lose nearly every game for over a month. This seems like a very unlikely possibility. I do not know why we need to even discuss such an obscure possibility.
I guess I only responded because I get sick of reading doomsday predictions for this team. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. The Reds will lose road games to tough teams. Just because the Reds lose 2 of three in AZ and may get swept vs. Oakland, it does not mean that they are not elite.
Another poster posted the Giants record vs. top teams last year and it showed that even the World Series Champion from the most recent year struggled to do what all teams struggle to do, which is win on the road.
Walt Jocketty and Reds fans should not worry about who to sell at the deadline, they should worry about what is out there to buy. If the Reds were a few games back, I could understand the hypothetical exercise. However, the Reds are six games up in the Wild Card. There is no reason to discuss the hypothetical.