Re: On the declining quality of the ORG
Originally Posted by 757690
Stats aren't gossip. Stats are hard, verifiable facts. In other words, evidence. Before and after pictures aren't gossip. Before and after pictures are hard, verifiable facts. In other words, evidence. They might not prove a point, they might not make a strong argument, but that's what message boards are for, to debate such matters.
Just because you don't like an argument doesn't mean it's invalid, or not ORG worthy.
All arguments are not equal. Claiming someone is a cheater requires a compelling argument, perhaps even a more compelling argument, than any other typical claim given that the nature of the argument is also an attack on the player's character and the integrity of his performance.
That a professional athlete has gotten in better shape and improved his performance as he's aged from 25 to 31 years old is NOT compelling evidence that he is also a cheater. It certainly doesn't prove a point and isn't even a weak argument because it frankly is the embodiment of the normal developmental trajectory for major league ball players. It's the lowest common denominator of "proof" and that has never been ORG worthy at least given the culture of the ORG since I've been a member.
Do some on the ORG want to speculate about PEDs use? No doubt. But lets not pretend that just because there is some desire to suppose this player or that player is a cheat that doing so is somehow a noble discussion and is really anything but a tangent to the notion of discussing baseball in a reds-centric manner and a subject matter that tends to provoke poor quality discussion threads.
In other words, the quality of the ORG would be undeniably better without such lowest common denominator types of threads.
"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
Last edited by jojo; 06-28-2013 at 02:13 PM.