Originally Posted by jojo
This is a very common narrative this, let's completely ignore how BABIP regresses version of pitcher controlling hit rate means defensive independent metrics are bunk and era is awesome narrative. But the elephants in the closet are that a pitcher's k and BB rates are very stable and there are a precious few arms that have consistently abnormally low babip. Want to argue that babip isn't precise enough to capture a pitcher's true ability to control hits? Well, then one can't trumpet era as any kind of reflection of pitcher skill.
The elements that are missing from FIP are the things that would cause Leake and Arroyo's era to dramatically increase simply from moving them from pitching in front of the reds defense and plopping them on the mound in front of the Astros' defense.
Sticking to early, incorrect, erroneous, illogical narratives that many amateur sabermetricians drew from Voros' first, very limited discovery, is just as stubborn and wrongheaded as sticking to only baseball card stats.
We have learned much about BABIP and DIPs since then, and as more and more days separate us from Voros' discovery, I am sure we will learn even more.