Originally Posted by dougdirt
I don't like the productive out, because it is rather limited. Why do we give someone credit for a sac fly as a productive out, but not a ground out to second base that also scores a run? If we can accept that a player "tried" to hit a deep fly ball, why can't we accept that they tried to hit a grounder to the second baseman who was playing normal depth? In both cases I refuse to believe that the player tried for that outcome, but it was a happy accident.
I agree that we should keep track of productive outs. I don't think we should reward a player by not making a ground out count as an AB (only because it would screw up 100 years of how we have kept stats), but I do think there should be a category for it.
BTW, players can't always hit a ground ball to second on command, but they should be able to hit the ball to the right side on command. If it's a hit, fine. If it's a ground ball that advances the runner, fine. If it's a line drive right at someone, oh well, it was still a good AB, just not a productive one.